tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631912103702174313.post5516885094624176106..comments2023-06-12T01:24:45.924-07:00Comments on Venezuela-Europa: SPOT THE VENEZUELAN POSTER!Keplerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11125538872924743270noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631912103702174313.post-27764324693194653472008-02-07T01:54:00.000-08:002008-02-07T01:54:00.000-08:00FB,Hi. Welcome. That poster would be a great sight...FB,<BR/><BR/>Hi. Welcome. That poster would be a great sight. I am not sure, though, people in the North would accept it is a real one unless 1) they have already been in Chavezland or 2) you can find it directly in a pro-government site. <BR/>The one I put here is linked to Aporrea, a well-known Chavista site.<BR/>My girlfriend has been to Venezuela and knows about the personality cult to Chavez and yet when I showed her this Chavez poster with the muscled Bolivar and the flag she thought it was a satirical thing from the opposition. When I showed her it was the real thing and the original link to Aporrea, she burst in laughter: "Oh, no, it is incredible!"<BR/><BR/>Feathers,<BR/>You might have a point. Bolivar and Chavez are one and the same according to Chavismo. It is one of those mysteries I cannot comprehend.Keplerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11125538872924743270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631912103702174313.post-2034849334811596912008-02-06T16:52:00.000-08:002008-02-06T16:52:00.000-08:00Pero Kepler! Remember that Bolivar doesn't count ...Pero Kepler! Remember that Bolivar doesn't count as a different entity from Chavez.<BR/><BR/>For Chavismo, Chavez is the incarnation of Bolivar!<BR/><BR/>Bolivar = Chavez<BR/><BR/>Chavez = BolivarFeathersMcGrawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03135660362823307298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631912103702174313.post-52951813317153236582008-02-06T11:46:00.000-08:002008-02-06T11:46:00.000-08:00Kepler, you would just LOVE the poster I saw in a ...Kepler, you would just LOVE the poster I saw in a Caracas rancho during an interview I translated for CBC, Canada: in this one, Chávez was portrayed all dressed in white with a HALO around his head and his hand stretched out to a child's head as if blessing him. the environment, however did not favor making pictures. If I ever come across with it again or find it on the internet, I'll post a copy. FBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631912103702174313.post-58485786658356543372008-02-06T03:05:00.000-08:002008-02-06T03:05:00.000-08:00Feathers, it is NOT true. I saw once at a Venezuel...Feathers, it is NOT true. I saw once at a Venezuelan post office a poster without Chavez. It had the image of Bolivar, a letter of his and the title "Letters that make history"...well, it was just next to another poster with the same colour and format and the face of our endeared Hugo Chavez and a letter of his Highness and the same title: "Letters that make history"<BR/>I asked the blokes at the post office if I could take a picture and they proudly let me do so.<BR/>Here you are it (unfortunately, I did not get it well, it is fuzzy)<BR/>http://bp1.blogger.com/_rZbKKDohSyc/RajvmDHLTII/AAAAAAAAAA8/_IS_46ehIic/s1600-h/elquehacehistoria.jpg<BR/>So, as you can see, there is a poster with another person than Chavez, with somebody Chavez considers equally important, namely Bolivar.Keplerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11125538872924743270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631912103702174313.post-18943303608996545682008-02-05T12:51:00.000-08:002008-02-05T12:51:00.000-08:00That's true Kepler! I cannot recall a Chavista po...That's true Kepler! I cannot recall a Chavista poster with anybody else but micomandante! Is this true or is it me that I haven't seen it?<BR/><BR/>Probably it's Chavez idea not to post anybody but a slimmer, stronger and younger version of him. I have to roll my eyes because of this. Uff! Que sobraoooo el tipo, como decimos en Venezuela.FeathersMcGrawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03135660362823307298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631912103702174313.post-12218084857657322512008-02-05T06:40:00.000-08:002008-02-05T06:40:00.000-08:00Hi, Liz. I think Quico had a similar Chavez image ...Hi, Liz. I think Quico had a similar Chavez image some months ago, Chavistas probably just updated the text. What I found funny was the similar style to the Russian posters. Mind: I am sure if I had looked further, I would have found even more similar pictures, even with the same style of shirt and those muscles (hihi).<BR/><BR/>Anyway, feel free any time to check out the section of ideas and propose whatever you might think off in any of those areas. <BR/>http://venezuela-europa.blogspot.com/2007/12/some-ideas-about-venezuela.html<BR/>They are still very rough and vague but my intention is to go deeper into different proposals for the country. We need to start circulating proposals and getting the most useful ones somehow into the wee brains of our politicos.Keplerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11125538872924743270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631912103702174313.post-75851997722653659382008-02-05T06:06:00.000-08:002008-02-05T06:06:00.000-08:00I've seen the poster before today, can't quiet rem...I've seen the poster before today, can't quiet remember where. Maybe last year in this same date?<BR/><BR/>As today, I thought about the drawing picturing him everything he's not; especially nowadays. And of course, feb/4th he was hiding under a desk, not waving our tricolor!Lizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13409833836497330449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631912103702174313.post-28148756421577418282008-02-04T19:25:00.000-08:002008-02-04T19:25:00.000-08:00hoi Kepler,Amazing what pictures can say.I wish th...hoi Kepler,<BR/><BR/>Amazing what pictures can say.<BR/>I wish that I had this idea for my blog.<BR/>Great!!Alphahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03818371325664043006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631912103702174313.post-45669633953484959962008-02-04T16:09:00.000-08:002008-02-04T16:09:00.000-08:00There were much more similar posters, actually, bu...There were much more similar posters, actually, but I saw them in a book I have not here. There are just a couple of important differences: in the Soviet posters you would usually see either workers (sometimes with big muscles) holding things OR the leader (Lenin, later Stalin) looking like the visionary. In the Chavista posters you have them all combined in one single person: Hugo Chávez Frías. Never mind these days Chávez is...rather portly.Keplerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11125538872924743270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631912103702174313.post-37534595819083882392008-02-04T15:16:00.000-08:002008-02-04T15:16:00.000-08:00One just has to browse a little bit for "NEP" or "...One just has to browse a little bit for "NEP" or "Soviet poster" (plenty of first time hits if the search is in Russian).<BR/>The interesting thing is this: I also tried a couple of searches using "Fatherland's War" and "Stalin poster" and stuff like that, but the posters were a different style. So we can see a clear influence indeed with the early period (1917 until mid twenties).<BR/>Of course, I am not implying anything more. As I said, Chavismo or Bolivarian Gucci socialism is a wee bit different. :-)Keplerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11125538872924743270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631912103702174313.post-3714743623917985252008-02-04T14:49:00.000-08:002008-02-04T14:49:00.000-08:00Oh Kepler I love them! The Russians for the deign ...Oh Kepler I love them! The Russians for the deign aspect... The Chavez because it's a great historical document... you totally can tell the influence on the last one with communist art.<BR/><BR/>Where did you find the Russian ones? Flick have a great collection of vintage posters that probably would take all your lifetime to watch them all ;PFeathersMcGrawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03135660362823307298noreply@blogger.com