tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631912103702174313.post4111512560778993558..comments2023-06-12T01:24:45.924-07:00Comments on Venezuela-Europa: Georgia, Venezuela, Europe and all the restKeplerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11125538872924743270noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631912103702174313.post-39040171965485730432008-08-12T14:30:00.000-07:002008-08-12T14:30:00.000-07:00Frankly I think the best would be for those two re...Frankly I think the best would be for those two republics to get their independence while accepting the rights of the Georgian minority, but this should be monitored by others than Russians and Georgians for the sake of all.<BR/><BR/>But then we need to ask ourselves why the Russians have to be in Chechnya when most Chechens do not want them there. Some obscure debt from Otoman times?Keplerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11125538872924743270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631912103702174313.post-79276494224825670672008-08-12T14:21:00.000-07:002008-08-12T14:21:00.000-07:00Vladi, I do not take offense. Do you? I do not kno...Vladi, I do not take offense. Do you? <BR/>I do not know much but I do know a little bit and I try to understand. <BR/><BR/>What is it that we need to know? It is not like Chechen-Russian history (or any other history including Israel-Palestina etc) is like rocket science.<BR/><BR/>And: if an ethnic group does not want to be with another one, you cannot force it. The best thing is to take the most peaceful way out.<BR/>Are you going to go back several centuries to justify Russia's treatment of Chechnya now?<BR/>Should also the Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians also be forced to do whatever Russia says just because of what Russians did in WW2?<BR/>History can explain a lot, but it cannot justify everything.Keplerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11125538872924743270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631912103702174313.post-34791163721638056352008-08-12T06:34:00.000-07:002008-08-12T06:34:00.000-07:00Unlike you I have never claimed i was impartial bu...Unlike you I have never claimed i was impartial but this isn't the point here.<BR/><BR/>Man, the point is that the issue is far more complex than you may think. <BR/>You don't know the (Russian, Georgian, Osseatian, Chechen etc) history and the nature of their relationships and the legal part to such an extent to make conclusions about double standards. You cannot generalize just like this.<BR/><BR/>Don't take offense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631912103702174313.post-35655269502623886832008-08-12T06:12:00.000-07:002008-08-12T06:12:00.000-07:00If you feel like adding a link here of an article ...If you feel like adding a link here of an article that best expresses the Russian position (without sensationalism), by all means, put it.<BR/>It would be nice if all parties could put present in the same place their positions for others to get a more balanced view of things...not only regarding the Caucasus. Of course, it would be much better if that took place in a well-known site, not at the site of some blogger. But then: I do not control the media.Keplerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11125538872924743270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631912103702174313.post-51840214388069169202008-08-12T05:33:00.000-07:002008-08-12T05:33:00.000-07:00Vladi, again: I think both sides are being very di...Vladi, again: I think both sides are being very dirty and I am not talking about what has happened since Friday but for the last years. <BR/><BR/>I do not think a multinational force can be made up of precisely the forces representing the interests of the region. Georgians AND Russians need to be kept out of this.<BR/>I agree Georgians have attacked now Ossetians. Again: as the US and others are doing in other places, Russia is applying double standards here. It would be more credible if it were to apply exactly the same standards to such a region as Chechnya, which, by the way, has been less time under Russian sphere of influence, where less Russian nationals were even before the whole mess started<BR/>How impartial are you?Keplerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11125538872924743270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631912103702174313.post-457953316306693302008-08-12T05:25:00.000-07:002008-08-12T05:25:00.000-07:00Do you want peace forces? Fine. Why not bring in m...Do you want peace forces? Fine. Why not bring in multinational forces? Why do they have to be Russian only?<BR/><BR/>Just for you to know: there were Russian AND Georgian forces. The latter started the hostilities, killing hundreds and this is a fact regardless your feelings about "Russian aggression".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631912103702174313.post-10550628591925759792008-08-12T05:12:00.000-07:002008-08-12T05:12:00.000-07:00Note also I wrote "Georgians were marching to prot...Note also I wrote "Georgians were marching to protest what they said was a Russian aggression". I thought it was clear: I do not think it was a Russian aggression. Here Georgia attacked. Still I think both have been acting as aggressors. <BR/><BR/>To tell you the truth I think the EU is also acting in a hypocritical way regarding Kosovo. If it (most of it) supports the Albanians because they are majority, what about supporting the breakaway of Kosovo's north? How can they force Serbians in the Northern part to be part of Kosovo if the vast majority do not want?<BR/>Of course, here we are dealing with very difficult terrain: when does it make sense to let a minority break away from a given country.<BR/>I do not think there is a formula, but I do not think any country is trying to behave in a consequent way.Keplerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11125538872924743270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631912103702174313.post-88128994573936036262008-08-12T05:01:00.000-07:002008-08-12T05:01:00.000-07:00Vladi, I think the sources I quoted at the end whe...Vladi, I think the sources I quoted at the end where from Lenta and Lenta is not CNN. I was trying to show even the Russians were reporting about what others (Reuters, AF) were saying, whereas the Venezuelan government was referring only to the Russian news agency.<BR/><BR/>For me the Georgians acted aggressively, but Russians are there not out of love for the Abkhazians (see Chechnya later). <BR/><BR/>Do you want peace forces? Fine. Why not bring in multinational forces? Why do they have to be Russian only?<BR/>And then: if the majority of the population in those areas want to break away: fine. Like Kosovo?<BR/>And then: what about Chechnya?<BR/>Why shouldn't people in Chechnya get the total independence from Russia? This is double standards. Of course, we see double standards with the US and the EU as well.Keplerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11125538872924743270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631912103702174313.post-18326032476255513992008-08-12T04:53:00.000-07:002008-08-12T04:53:00.000-07:00Thing is that reading a bit of Wiki and CNN wont h...Thing is that reading a bit of Wiki and CNN wont help you pull off a post about such an issue.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Y si, poniendo peace force entre comillas etc obviamente muestras tu imparcialidad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631912103702174313.post-54970010740902079832008-08-12T04:05:00.000-07:002008-08-12T04:05:00.000-07:00Please, explain, Vladi. I am not Russian. I am not...Please, explain, Vladi. I am not Russian. I am not Georgian. I don't support either in this conflict. I think both groups are playing with the local populations.Keplerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11125538872924743270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631912103702174313.post-63490580168868965062008-08-12T03:58:00.000-07:002008-08-12T03:58:00.000-07:00well, really, i thought you can do better than tha...well, really, i thought you can do better than that, Kepler.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com